Next club meeting Monday 2nd November 2015.

Please note the change of details from the published information

·         Death of Commodus in 192 - the Aftermath: in Britain and the Roman Empire By (our very own) Peter Hall.

Meetings are held at the Abbey Baptist Church, Abbey Square, commencing at 7.00 p.m.

 

Notices

 

·         The Xmas dinner is booked for 18.45 on Sat 5 December 2015 at The Cunning Man.  The cost will be £25 per person, menu details are given in a separate attachment to this e-mail. We have to pre-order three weeks before. Note that coffee/ mince pie can be chosen in place of a dessert. If you haven’t already done so, please let Peter know

1)      if you want to attend

2)      your menu choices

either by e-mail or at the November meeting.
 

·         Please continue thinking about Short Talks for January, and Auction lots for March!

 

October Meeting

Our speaker was delayed so the meeting began with notices and then Mick took to the floor to give us the talk he was due to give at the November meeting. This was followed by the advertised talk, so two for the price of one! As mentioned above, Mick’s talk in November will now be replaced by one from Peter.

 

Workings at the Royal Mint in Victorian Times

 

Mick explained that while researching the early industrialisation of money making he had come across a book that graphically explained the processes involved in making coins at the Royal Mint in the late 1850’s. At this time the Mint was not profitable and the author, George F Ansell was commissioned to identify inefficiencies, corruption and losses, and to recommend improvements. Thus he looked at every stage of the money making process. Mick then showed pictures of these processes from casting, rolling, weighing, making blanks and coining money. Mick explained the slow development of cutting and coining machinery and why flaws often occur in coins.

In a rather rushed conclusion Mick highlighted some of Ansell’s achievements, namely the beginnings of metallurgy and improvements to heat treatments that are well used today. Unfortunately Ansell’s blunt criticisms of Management won him no friends and he was sacked instead of being applauded.

 

 

 

Sharks, Shipwrecks and Spanish Coins

 

At the start Dick explained that he was fortunate in that he was able to transform his hobbies - Sharks, Shipwrecks and Spanish Coins - into businesses.

 

Living on the Isle of Wight in one of the prime fossil locations (with Lyme Regis) meant access to the fossilised remains of many creatures, and, in particular, sharks. He brought a tooth from the Megalodon, one of the biggest prehistoric sharks – growing to 60 feet – which was very impressive. They had 276 teeth in 5 rows and, like sharks today, shed their teeth throughout their lifetime. The largest Megalodon teeth on record reached an eye-watering 7.25 inches.

 

Dick moved on to his interest in shipwrecks. Most international trade still goes by sea. At times in the past 10% of ships setting out would be wrecked. Trade involved cash, especially gold and silver, which would be taken on the ship to pay for the goods. Therefore most wrecks contained significant quantities of ‘treasure’, as well as commercial goods. Dick explained that there were peaks and troughs in treasure ship movements, with shipping dates of gold and silver from central and South America often determined by wars in Europe and elsewhere. In the meantime treasure would accumulate in America before joining a convoy to Spain. The weather and pirates took a heavy toll and explains the great interest in underwater archaeology (and plundering).

 

Several shipwrecks were covered, ancient and modern: the P&O Liner SS Egypt sank after a collision with the Seine on 20 May 1922 in the English Channel. 252 people were rescued from the 338 passengers and crew aboard at the time. A subsequent salvage operation recovered most of the cargo of gold and silver, but much was left behind. The Lutine sank during a storm in the West Friesen Islands on 9 October 1799, whilst carrying a large shipment of gold. Shifting sandbanks disrupted salvage attempts, and the majority of the cargo has never been recovered.

 

In late October 1859 the Royal Charter was returning to Liverpool from Melbourne. Her complement of about 371 passengers (with a crew of about 112 and some other company employees) included many gold miners, some of who had struck it rich at the diggings in Australia and were carrying large sums of gold about their persons. A consignment of gold was also being carried as cargo. As she reached the north-western tip of Anglesey on 25 October she went aground. A large quantity of gold was said to have been thrown up on the beach at Porth Alerth, with some families becoming rich overnight. The gold bullion being carried as cargo was insured for £322,000, but the total value of the gold on the ship must have been much higher as many of the passengers had considerable sums in gold.

 

One of a huge fleet of 300 British ships on their way to the West Indies to suppress a French uprising, the Piedmont was forced into Lyme Bay during a hurricane on November 18, 1795 that scattered and sank many ships all along the Dorset coast. The Piedmont and five other ships came to be known collectively as the “Lyme Bay wrecks.” In the early 1980s, the wrecks were salvaged by divers who discovered many silver cobs of the late 1600s on the wreck site of the Piedmont. It is presumed that the coins had been captured or recovered from a 17th-century wreck and stored in the vaults of the Bank of England for about a century before being transported and subsequently lost again.

 

Many of the wrecks contained Spanish coins, especially from Potosi in Bolivia. These were silver eight reales, pieces of eight, which became the international currency in the 16th and 17th centuries.

 

The flow of silver from the Americas increased at an incredible rate. From 148 kilos in the 1520s, it rose to 300,000 kilos in the 1550s, and nearly 3 million kilos in the 1590s. From the 1570s it increasingly came over to Europe ready-made into pieces of eight. Spanish coins being the third of Dick’s hobbies.

 

Members thanked Dick for an interesting speech.

 

 

Subscriptions

Be reminded that subscriptions are now due. It would be most appreciated if members yet to renew their subscription would please do so at the next meeting. Please see our treasurer Peter Hall. For anyone who does not pay their subs, this is the last issue of the newsletter they will receive.

 

Future Events.

  • London Coin Fair – Bloomsbury, London – 7th November
  • Birmingham Coin Fair - National Motorcycle museum – 8th November
  • Croydon Coin Auction – 17th November

Past Events

In October 1975 the club was given a talk entitled animals on coins

Ten years later the club auction took place - no details available other than it was successful

In 2005 David Young give a talk on the Vauxhall Gardens

 

Club Secretary.